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Interview With Cash/Triad
by Taper/Triad

On a rainy Saturday afternoon I was sitting down, pondering on whom to interview for this issue of Attitude. Then it suddenly struck me that there was a bunch of questions I had been wanting to ask someone in my own group. Why then not combine my curiosity and this chapter into one? So, I decided to stop looking to the other side of the pond and put long-time TRIAD member Cash against the wall!

Taper: Welcome to this interview, Cash! I guess the standard formula is to begin by asking you to tell us a bit about yourself...

Cash: Dig a hole! I was born in 1971 in Moelndal, Sweden. Moved to Gothenburg about eight years ago. I have three wonderful kids, one boy and two girls, age between nine and twelve. I like to try new beers and being with my kids. Maybe not at the same time, though.

We will soon start talking about your scene career, but in true oldschool fashion I will begin by asking you a few totally unrelated questions. So, name you favourite movie, food and beverage!

I have always been fond of horror movies since I was very young. And I still like most of the slasher, splatter, zombie and other genre movies that came out around the mid 70s and the beginning of the 80s. The food I like most is well cooked husmanskost (Swedish day-to-day cousin) and also vegetables in all different ways. But my budget doesn't allow me to eat what I want, so I eat mostly cheap stuff, but not much fast food and stuff you just put in the microwave. And for beverages there is only beer in all different styles!

I know the first group you ever joined was Zoom, back in 1989. But how did you end up on the C64 scene in the first place?

There you are wrong. My first group was actually SHIT. I think I bought my C64 around 87-88, and after some months I bought the 1541-II. I saw an ad in Datormagazin that there was this guy selling disks and after I called there for the third time to order, the guy said he was the boss in SHIT and asked me if I wanted to join. I had no clue how the scene worked but I said yes. He asked what my handle was and I came up with Cash in some seconds, thinking of the movie Extreme Prejudice that came into mind while thinking of handles. So I was just lucky to enter the scene. I tried to make logos and after I made some SHIT logos that looked decent I got my own contact-demo, and after that the envelopes started to roll in. I guess I got the hang of swapping quite fast and I tried not to send back stuff that everybody else was spreading around. I even sent demos from small groups that others didn't dare to spread, probably because they were afraid not to be cool enough!? And that I think was a smart move I did to keep my contacts.

One of my favourite demos is actually Prism which was released by Zoom. It's a very oldschool type of demo with loads of parts and others might find it extremely dated now, but it still strikes a chord in my heart. I got it from some local swapper back when I was a lamer with very limited connections to the scene. Who knows, perhaps that guy got it from you in his turn... If I remember correctly, Zoom had some kind of connection to Helsingborg?

I was only a member of Zoom a very short time. When Prism was released I was already gone. And the connection with Helsingborg I don't know nothing about. But I might have sent Prism to your local swapper anyway!? I think I got an offer to join Psycho Candy at that time and couldn't refuse the offer since PC was based in Gothenburg.

A year later you ended up in a whole bunch of groups, replacing Zoom. You were a member of Depredators, Rizing and Zone45, perhaps more than one group at the same time?

I joined DDT after Goblin/Light showed my DDT-logo to them at the Dominators/Upfront/Trilogy Party in 1989. Don't remember for how long but as I got more friends in the Gothenburg area I decided to leave and be in groups based around me, like Zone 45 and Rizing. And I was also a member of Rizing's graphics group Dreamline Design Studios (DDS). So it's not only one person as stated on CSDb, we were several people. Someone should update that on CSDb.

Your job was of course swapping, but you also made a whole lot of logos at the time. I must confess I didn't know how much graphics you actually released back then. Mega-swapping and doing graphics, that must have taken up a large part of your spare time after school in those days. Was there time for other stuff as well, or was the C64 your top priority?

My logos didn't take that much time really. I wasn't that good at it either but sometimes they looked really decent. I still have some unreleased logos that would be nice to release, but I guess few have the time to do it for me nowadays. Yes, swapping took most of my spare time. But actually swapping wasn't my top priority. It was going out drinking and partying with my non-scene friends. So I guess I never slept back then. But I figure my swapping was quite good anyway!

At the end of 1990, you left the other groups and founded your own crew together with Merlin and Midnight Mover (who later joined TRIAD together with you). Tell me a bit about Omega!

There was also Creep who was involved in building of Omega. I really don't remember much about it. I know we got some good members to join us and we even had BBSes in the States and Europe. So we started strong but some lost interest in the scene and it fell apart because of that.

Omega seems to have broken up in 1991, more than a year before you and Midnight Mover joined TRIAD. So, what happened during that time?

Before I joined TRIAD I was a member of Vision until it died. After that I decided to go solo because I had so many contacts that I felt I really didn't need to be a member of any group. After some weeks I got a call from Jerry who said he had been waiting for me to call and ask him if I could join TRIAD. Since that never happened he called me up and almost shouted at me and asked me when the hell I would join! I answered OK, I'd join then!

Tell me a bit about your swapping days. Personally I had never had more than 40 mail contacts, and that took plenty of time to handle. My average was probably just around 20 contacts, and when I started calling the boards instead I only had a dozen of mail contacts left. How many contacts did you have at your prime?

I guess I had around 250-300 contacts at the most.

Impressive, just handling the logistics must have been a challenge! How about stamp cheating? Like most mail swappers you must have done that as well? Another time consuming task, but totally necessary for us as kids without wallets.

Yes I was cheating the stamps. Sometimes I was lucky and got for example stickered stamps from work that I could use (enough to send express), and once the Swedish postal service had folders with loads of pictures of stamps in the right size, so I went to all the offices I could find and took them all. Then I cut out the stamps and used them. I think I even put glue on them.

Back to TRIAD... It was in 1993 you joined TRIAD and found home. Tell me a bit more about that!

As I said before, it was Jerry who called me up. But after a while of being a member of TRIAD I had to test games for The Gamers Guide, and I felt that oh my god, this will take the rest of my sleeping hours! So I told Jerry that I do not have the time to test hundreds of cracks every month. He then told me I didn't have to do it, actually I think I was the only one that didn't have to...

Jerry was handling TRIAD when you joined. What was the difference between being a member of TRIAD and the other groups you had been in before? Was it more organized? I remember when I joined and my first thought was: "Aha, this is how you really organise something!"

Even if I have been in several groups during my scene life I have almost always been doing my swapping as I wanted it to be done. Nobody really told me what to do or something like that. I got the wares and I spread them as much as possible. And of course I always did collect wares so there was the spread disk and then disks with old stuff that many of my contacts wanted.

I know from talking with Jerry that he considered you a very important member and vital part in the TRIAD distribution machine. Could you share some anecdotes on your swapping days in TRIAD?

Been thinking of this for a while now, but I couldn't come up with something good... I got letters and calls from the Post HQ that they wanted to meet me. I never went of course. I once tested to post an envelope and just wrote Cash/TRIAD as an address on it, and it was delivered to my home.

Some years later there were some times when you faded from activity and almost quitted the scene. But just almost - somehow you never fully let go. Tell us a bit about those years...

Those years the kids came and I focused on them. What more I did I don't know... Probably just some boring real-life stuff...

One day you decided to get active again, and you started out by backing up your vast disk collection. Now you are one of the TRIAD collectors, also having helped people from other groups preserving their collections. Have you encountered any particular nice findings during those long backup sessions?

I guess I missed the whole thing and just wanted to be a part of it again. Nowadays I have little skills to do anything for TRIAD. Thank god for my collection, so I at least had something to contribute to TRIAD and the scene! And yes, I still have loads of treasures that haven't found it's way to CSDb yet. The disks are preserved but there is still much to go through before releasing the collection to the public. From time to time I send some stuff to people who are searching for a long lost demo or something. Always nice to be able to help out.

Beside being a TRIAD. collector and participating in internal discussions regarding scene history and whatnot, you also tend to show up on parties from time to time. In your opinion, what's the best thing about the present scene parties?

Today it is absolutely the friendship. And hearing today that I was really good of what I was doing back in the days. These days, in a drunken mood, I like to talk and hear about it 20-25 years later. Back then I really didn't understand it, because I did my thing and collected for my own sake. I never did it for the charts in the magazines. Just for my own pleasure.

This interview is soon coming to an end, but is there anything special you want to share first? Anything from scene anecdotes to requests...

Damn! A while ago I wrote down some things to write here but I lost the note and I don't remember anything special now. I had plenty of VHS-contacts as well if that is interesting. I overslept when a fully crowded bus was leaving for a Horizon party. They waited for me and everyone were singing GOMORRON GOMORRON (Good morning good morning, in Gothenburg accent) when I entered the bus. That was cute. For requests I want you to dig out all your disks and tapes and bring them to me. I want to preserve more scene history! Thank you!

Thank you Mika for sharing your scene history with us! Much appreciated!


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