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To Greet Or Not To Greet
by DJ Gruby/Arsenic & Taper/Triad

Shortly after the release of Attitude #13 I received an angry un-anonymous private message complaining about lack of greetings for their group in the intro sequence:

Hi Man! We always drink together on parties but you never greet us (YYY) in your intros. Why?

Despite the fact that I had nothing to do with an original scroll text included in the Attitude #13 intro, that private message had triggered me to ask the following questions and had been a starting point for this opinion poll:

Would you get disappointed when although being an active C64 scener, you don't get your well-deserved greetings in other productions? Offended even maybe? How important are greetings personally for you? And what should be the right attitude about them?

Also, as Taper/Triad correctly noted last year after experiencing something similar: Funny how greetings are still so very important in 2012...

So, let us see what some selected sceners think and if greetings are indeed still as important, even in 2013!


I have to admit that I do read the greetings if they pop up somewhere in a demo, and I do get a positive or negative feeling if my group is there or not. It's a bit pathetic, I know, especially since I put very little energy myself into our own greetings list when it is time for a demo release...


Yes, I get disappointed and sometimes even offended, but as a demo creator I realize that you cannot please everybody. I always try to greet most of my closest friends.


Greetings have always been important to the scene; back in the days more than nowadays, perhaps. For many of us, competition has played an important part in fueling the scene. A greet is a salute to other groups and a way to pay respect, but also a way to make your presence known to others. A greeting says: we've noticed you, we know you exist and we think you're worth a mention in our demo/intro. It's a small encouragement, a hint that others appreciate you and your work. In Genesis Project we honor this tradition, and have a specific greetings list for cracks, and another one for demos. It's pretty simple. To greet everyone is to greet no one, right? We greet those we respect, and are still around. It's of course easier to greet a lot of people in a random scrolltext, but in a demo where the greetings pop up in a more fashionable way, you may have to be more picky or the never ending greetings part could get a bit boring. I believe competition often helps to motivate and fuel the scene still today, and greetings are part of that, and should remain a gesture of respect.


Well, yes! It's about saying cheers to your friends or to show respect for other groups or people, and this is a great way of doing so. Can't really say I get disappointed if we're not saluted in a production, but it certainly feels good when we are.


Starting up a small demo group (Fatzone) from scratch without much contacts on the C64 scene and after a number of releases seeing the group name pop up in various greetings lists felt somewhat rewarding. Especially when the greetings came from groups that we didn't have any relations to except that they obviously had noticed our demos. Now as a part of a much bigger and more well-known group (TRIAD) I don't take so much notice of whether we're greeted or not since I know the greeting will appear much more frequently and they will in most cases be there because of someone else's work or contacts and not because of me. So the reason for teaming up with TRIAD was not to get more greetings. ;)


Maybe in the past I would have got disappointed if someone did not greet us, but now I just don't care. Then again, before we got "famous" by great graphics by Jailbird and awesome SIDs/remixes from DaFunk, why would someone greet some unknown group from Yugoslavia at that time? Would that have been embarrassing for them to greet unknown groups? Back in the 90s I used to greet only groups we were in touch with, while there were others who used to greet Hotline, Ikari and other #1 crackers at the time (even if they had no connection with them).


I know some people take greetings personally, even now when it would seem they're less important because electronic communication is a lot easier. Greetings aren't that important to me, but it is nice to see them in productions. I try to greet like-minded people and/or groups, but in the end I'm probably missing some and should probably stop all together so some feelings aren't hurt. In the end, I think getting angry about non-greeting in a production is a silly thing considering the age of an average scener.


I'd say it's much less important these days since people meet (online) either way, but there is this greeting habit. Personally I like to be greeted a lot. If I personally or Onslaught as a group is forgotten I'm not really sad, in particular since sometimes people have "their own reasons". However, I am a bit disappointed when Onslaught gets neglected as a demo group.


We can conclude that there are several views when it comes to greetings. One thing is for sure though, mailing and whining because you don't get greeted will most likely do a lot more harm than good. We hope those who use that approach will rethink their strategy in the future. That, or our junk folders will get additional feeding!

Thanks to the sceners above who shared their thoughts and views on the subject and helped us compile the opinion poll for this issue!


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